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John Hechinger and John Turner recently published an article picked up by Bloomberg and Businessweek alerting TSP and TSP participants to the well-known TSP ‘IRA Rollover Scandal’

In the TSP Rollover Scandal, brokerage houses recommend any retired or separated TSP participant take their TSP balance and roll it over to their Brokerage House IRA. In most cases, this benefits the Brokerage House much more than it does the former TSP Account Holder, as the Brokerage house can collect lucrative fees by managing the participant’s retirement balance in-house. The article was well researched and rightfully took some jabs at ‘GoldBug’ IRA Brokerage Houses, but I think the author went a bit far by bashing NFCU and USAA. USAA and NFCU are Friend- Not Foe- of the Veteran’s wallet.

In defense of NFCU, USAA, Schwab, Fidelity, and Vanguard, I present the following…

5 Reasons Why Thrift Savings Plan Sucks

1) Vanilla Fund Choices in TSP

TSP is the In-N-Out Burger of 401(k) programs- Let me explain.

If you want the best burgers available at the best price anywhere, then the choice is simple- You and your family head to In-N-Out Burger.
But if Mom wants chicken, Daughter wants pasta, and Dad & Son want burgers, you’re headed to Applebee’s. You’re going to pay more at Applebee’s, the burgers aren’t quite as good, but there are plenty of choices at Applebee’s to keep everyone placated. Your family pays a premium for the variety of choices available under one roof at Applebee’s.

TSP only offers 5 Vanilla Index options on its menu (plus blends of these 5 Funds re-packaged as ‘Lifecycle Funds). TSP is the In-N-Out Burger of 401(k) providers.
Fidelity, Schwab, Vanguard, and USAA offer every stock, ETF, and almost every mutual fund available in the market. Fidelity, Schwab, Vanguard, and USAA are the Applebee’s of 401(k) providers- You pay more for a menu that provides more variety.

2) Big Brother wants to choose your TSP Investment Allocation 

Let me explain why letting Congress or the the TSP Director choose your retirement fund allocation is a bad idea.
Even if you are in one of the ‘L’ funds as recommended by Congress and/or the TSP’s Director, you’ve got a significant amount of money parked in TSP’s ‘F’ Fund.

The TSP F Fund is the index formerly known as Lehman Brothers Aggregate Bond Market, and is closely approximated in the ETF world by Vanguard’s BND ETF. At the time of this writing, BND and F Fund have a Duration of 5.62 years, which means that if interest rates go UP by 1 percent, the value of BND and F Fund goes DOWN by 5.62 percent.

Investing in the F Fund right now is rather foolish in my opinion- Current F Fund yield is 2.00 percent. If interest rates (which are now near ZERO) go up by one percent, you’ve LOST 3.62 precent (2.00 % – 5.62%) on a supposedly ‘safe’ bond index investment.

TSP does not publish key monthly statistics (like Duration) on its funds because it thinks you are too stupid to process the data (TSP does provide them once per year in the F Fund Information Sheet if you go searching for it).

If you want ‘safe’ money, park it in the G Fund, not the F Fund- The G Fund has never had a bad day, and is currently yielding 2.375 percent.
3) TSP has some rather Arcane Withdrawal Rules

Basically, you have a One-time option to do a partial withdrawal (or IRA rollover), followed by a one-time option do do a ‘full’ withdrawal (which has many one-time format options to choose from like lump sum, market-rate annuity, fixed dollar amount, etc).

4) TSP is Mining Personal Data on You

Are you a Fed who is fed up with all the workplace rules about safeguarding Personally Identifiable Information (PII)?   Well, TSP does not follow these rules.  At a minimum, the TSP knows your Skin Color, Birthday, Wage Grade, and Education Level, and they are trying to collect more.  Think Vanguard, Schwab, and Fidelity could get away with this?  Vanguard executives would have handcuffs slapped on them if they collected this data on their 401(k) participants.

5) TSP is resistant to change- Both Market-Driven and Congress-Driven

Consider the following TSP history in resisting or implementing change:

The Roth TSP option was authorized by congress in the TSP Enhancement Act of 2009 but took over 4 years to implement:

  • TSP finally acknowledged the existence of the Roth Option in December 2010 (> 1 year).
  • TSP took another year to publish planned regulations (December 2011, 1 year).
  • TSP did not complete rollout to all Roth-TSP eligible participants until 2013 (4 years later).

TSP is highly resistant to alter or expand their current product offering:

 

In summary, I’m still a huge fan of TSP, but it’s not a complete product.

For TSP participants hearing the ‘Siren Song’ of the IRA Brokerage Houses, the G Fund alone is reason enough to keep at least a few thousand bucks in the TSP. You can always roll money back in to TSP (at any time, for any reason) and use the G Fund as your ‘safe’ money to cover your next few years’ of retirement living expenses. You can read more on how to do a Partial or Full TSP Withdrawal  here.

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12 thoughts on “5 Reasons why Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) Sucks

  1. This article is spot on, the TSP offers a lot of great things but it’s “too” simple for some people. I like the low fees but they really don’t offer a lot of diversification in regards to investment assets available to 401K participants.

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  2. I can only imagine what I’d have in TSP if I had started a year earlier at retirement in 2011-12 or if I had known the nuances of more than 2 monthly interfund xfers allowed before 2008 as I’ve acquired $50k in 3 years with no more additions to my principal and just up and downs of the market that I usually gauge at 5% personally, not always as it has been swinging up and down quite erratically for years. Of course I lost in 2008 by not changing either so I guess I’ve evened out overall for a few years. I contributed an average of $10k/annually and recouped 15% interest over 10 years to be savvy and will continue to excel I think with time. The downfall is the the annuity offered for TSP and at least those with military pensions should never choose that option in my book. A husband and wife in a joint annuity will never use it all and exhaust it with nothing allocated for children. TSP annuities suck.

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  3. Mu biggest complaint with TSP is the time it takes to transfer funds from one fund to another. You know you fund is about to tank and it takes another two days on average to move it to the G fund which never goes down.

    In this day and age, the funds should be transferred electronically and instantly. I can’t even being to estimate the trillions in lost funds that the government will never receive taxes on because of this ancient system.

    Clearly, this system is run by the government so hoping for efficiency is not something rooted in sanity.

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    • David –

      Most of the TSP’s charter has the theme that TSP wants to keep things simple and keep costs low so that Feds (and now Servicemembers) can afford to retire.

      Keeping things simple involves limiting choices to the 5 Vanilla funds TSP offers and latency in TSP transactions. Your TSP inter-fund transfers are always free, so in this case you get what you don’t pay for.

      If you’re worried about day-to-day price swings in your funds then you should probably consider one of the ‘L’ funds or put all your TSP savings in the G Fund. I’m paraphrasing former Barron’s editor Alan Abelson when I say that investing is like taking a long hike up a mountain with a Yo-Yo. If you just stare at the Yo-Yo (daily market swings) during the climb then you’ll never appreciate the progress you’re making up the hill.

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  4. Article needs updated. The F Fund rate of return fluctuates and is unpredictable just like every other fund (except the G fund). The employees for the Thrift Savings Plan definitely do NOT have access to your skin color, education level, OR pay rate. And the post-separation withdrawal options will soon be open to unlimited withdrawals because of a recent bill passed by Trump giving the TSP 2 years to implement from November, I believe.

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    • Wilma – Thanks for reading!

      Notes:
      1) I update this blog’s content regularly with fresh posts, but I don’t go back and re-write all 250+ posts on this blog regularly. All blog entries have a date stamp (hint: read the URL inside the address bar at the top of each post).
      2) Please read or re-read the TSP Participant Behavior report file at https://www.frtib.gov/pdf/minutes/MM-2013Mar-Att4.pdf. It clearly states “Gender, Race, Employment Grade, and Education are not REPORTED in this analysis”. The data was COLLECTED but not REPORTED by FRTIB.

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  5. Just five, Gubmints? Zounds Batman. I can think of more than without even trying. I just retired and will roll-over my account the day I can withdraw everything. I will happily deal with professionals (as opposed to TSP) and will also happily pay more for this as opposed to dealing with TSP a day more than I have to.

    I am awaiting a hardship check since I could not submit an online withdrawal (only a paper TSP-20 via fax are allowed for that option). This is irrational and it takes (by their account) several weeks. Absurd!! Just think of this, I use the Employee Personal Page to input among other things banking information for the direct deposit of my paycheck. I can make banking changes anytime on this website and have done so many times. I also need to use this very website to make changes to my TSP account including percentage of allocation HOWEVER I cannot use this website to withdraw funds from my TSP account and have them directly deposited into my bank account EVEN THOUGH MY BANKING INFORMATION IS ALREADY THERE!!!! I have other issues with these cretins.

    As much as I philosophically am opposed to the “privatization” of government services TSP in their ineptitude and vindictiveness (other personal issues I have that I’ll save for another day) make a very good argument for those who are for this.

    -W M Keller

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    • Allow me to clarify the first sentence in my second paragraph. One needs to submit a paper TSP-20 for a DIRECT DEPOSIT via fax and cannot be done online. Thanks and sorry for the omission.

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  6. It takes a long time to change or move money. It’s a very arcane system in my humble opinion. Time is not your friend when dealing with TSP online or over the phone either. I think an IRA with USAA or another financial institution is a better option; especially with the ability to diversify investments.

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  7. I just find funny that when an inter fund transaction is done and you want to change it the next day suddenly, after you able to sign in every day, the computers are down and you cannot do anything!

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